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« on: October 14, 2003, 11:36:40 PM »

I'm glad that they're finally releasing this concert, but of course in this modern age, there is no complete picture of such an event.  The "official version" will probably be quite satisfying in itself, but there's more.  There are photographs that won't be in the brochure, there are memories we all have from many different perspectives.  

I would encourage you to share what going to Winterland to see the Grateful Dead meant to you. If you have pictures, please post some links. Share your highs, and your lows.

I look forward to this,
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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2004, 10:22:24 AM »

Y' know...I like all the peripheral stuff like the photos and such but I honestly didnt think that particular show was that great (no offence) but there just seemed to be something blah about most of the performance...and Donna.  *ouch!* what is that sound piercing in my ears?
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« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2006, 09:13:49 PM »

It had all the hallmarks of a classic Dead concert- high expectations, end of an era, band so drugged out that a major chunk would leave soon thereafter, the Blues Brothers opening.
And of course, three sets!
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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2006, 03:51:16 PM »

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It had all the hallmarks of a classic Dead concert- high expectations, end of an era, band so drugged out that a major chunk would leave soon thereafter, the Blues Brothers opening.
And of course, three sets!

I was there; it was awesome!  But then again, I like Donna!
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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2006, 04:41:49 PM »

What we see here, of course, is the difference between an event and the act of memorializing that same event -- anyone who attended would have their own specific "Closing of Winterland" experience, and therefore movie. Clearly, the DVD can't capture all that (although it certainly tries).

Really, this is a DVD (and CD) presentation for those who were NOT in attendance -- specifically, those who arrived too late to enjoy the glory days of this most rabidly mythologized of bands. It can't really replace the experience of being there, in either time or music; in fact, no show can be properly recreated (a fact well-known to any who share a tape of a show they've been to). A better time-machine for this purpose was the GD movie, but that had only so much footage of the band [since addressed by the re-release]; COW comes closer to providing the beginning-to-end experience, though one from after the heyday.

For those who were there, COW provides some reinforcement of fading memory, and an alternate perspective to the one they personally experienced. In some ways, this is not such a service; as remarked above, the performances aren't generally outstanding.

But this is irrelevant; speaking as one who has had the COW poster on my wall for the past quarter-century [and a bootleg on my record shelf], I accepted and anticipated this release without reservation. While neither the best or most typical show from this era, it is without question a major event in the band's history. And we cannot overlook the simple duration: the band may burn brighter elsewhere, but rarely so long and consistently. And no one could doubt that they end on a strong note.

As they try to tell us repeatedly throughout the movie, Winterland was not just a gig but a place, an event, a space unto itself. Of course, simply saying it doesn't really convey what made that place special; this is the part the viewer must fill in for themselves. Those who weren't there -- who never could have been there, in 1978 or any other year -- have only the music to judge.

For me, who played that bootleg over and over through the summer of my 16th year, it became the standard by which I would measure my own experiences to come. For those who were there, and had been regular or long-time fans, it was the goodbye kiss to a fond venue & all the eras that didn't have drums splitting the second set. For those who came even later than me, well ... it's a well-filmed valentine from an era they can't really understand. But it is full of fine performances, and signifies the end of something for the band.

I admit it: I rarely watch it (or any other Dead show on visual release; they're not much to watch). But when I do, I genreally watch the whole thing. Obviously, it still works -- even though so much of the music is long since familiar to me. This long-term staying power is what we need in official releases, and not always apparent on first listen.

Meanwhile, we can ponder Bobby's wacky glasses. What were you thinking, Bob?
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« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2006, 02:00:21 PM »

Unfortunately I can't share my own  pictures taken at Winterland- I took a few at the 6-12-75 show,  but these did not survive moving around in my twenties, and also a lot at 10-19 & 10-20-74(had some great ones of Bob & Donna & Phil) but- for whatever reason, they never came back from the drugstore "too much light exposure" or some excuse like that.
But some of my happiest times as a Dead fan were there.
My first show... sigh- will Dead Base EVER get it straight >?< 4-28-71
Deadbase has the set lists REVERSED and out of order for these two nights they played. I went to the "acid dosing" night- great acid, I had a wonderful time, I figured "you must be lame not to know what that punch bowl in the middle of the crowd means"- But definitely, I  would swear before you all (and Allah) that the first song that night was Bertha, not Casey Jones, and that Johnny B Goode was NOT played at the end of the set (Not Fade Away-GRFB-Not Fade Away WAS.)
Everyone likes to think they can "swear by" Dead Base, but I was there, and despite my stonedness, I remembered "the new songs" distinctly, and no, no Casey Jones! Not on our night, anyway.
Anyway somehow my best friend and I survived (escaped?) the City On Acid & made it back to our safe little Redwood City hideoout afterwards, but it was intense, a very crazy scene on the street, what with all those dosed out people who WERE "that lame" bumming out & all, & naked people trashing cars & more. I could write a chapter of a novel on that one night alone.
So I'll spare ya.
3-18-77 I got pulled out of line by a cop("you, you look weird"), had my ticket stolen (by him)
& watched in slight horror as he tossed my hash pipe into the street (as the equipment truck, arriving, proceeded to roll right over it and turn it to splinters...) Had to head back home after that, since no tickee no playee...
June 77 was the run I made all three shows and every night was HOT!
The cds of this run are something I really love playing over & over.
I didn't get to the Closing night, it was my girlfriend's excuse "we were too poor" but I had a nice time at home amongst  friends watching it on the tube,  us all having gnawed down a batch of weedy cookies.
I'd have liked to have been there, but was, in spirit anyway.
SO -while the horror stories don't  quite outweigh the kicks, it WAS what it was, a great place to come hear the band & be amongst all the likeminded people, and Bless Bill Graham for giving us all that space in which to be
young & free in.
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